hubris vs hubris--i'm betting on Verses.

in the course of rambling, gambling, doing what i think i should...which evver so often has nothing at alll to do with what other people think, i encounter calculi--little stones, some of which are pretty, some of which stick in my feet, all of which are made of dust.
here's one, with a little polishing--which is a courteous word for grinding..

:"We wouldn’t have science without theology, and we won’t continue to have the benefits of science long without it।"

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The abracadabra here is the cojoining of a true statement with a wish list, on the premise that the associational magick will make the wish come true.

There's nothing wrong with this construct. Practitionerss of Vodun and Santeria do it all the time.

:"It’s interesting that in every film in which all of human society collapses, it’s never because society forgot science. It’s always because of we used science to destroy ourselves."

Granted, movies are reality. if it were not so, FaceBook would have told us...There's no reason to interject Pol Pot, Hitler, the genocide of the first nations of North America into the discussion when Hollywood has the answers. One can read John Stoddard on the subject of dogs, or one can know that whenever some "scientist's" ego combines with dollars from the ideologically (that is to say, "world view") pure, then most likely giant ants will invade Chicago, or robots from the future will make life unpleasant for the cool people who just want to be told what to do and have it get them into situations where they can breed.

Yet, strangely enough, :"Humans do not merely appreciate what science has done for them, they also fear what science can do to them. And rightly so. Science can neither guarantee its own progress nor its positive use."
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a casual reader might be led to overlook the :"And rightly so" offered, overlooking the critical element that in Hollywood post-Apocalypsism it is the hubris of ideologic assumption---which is the very essence of Theology---that causes doom.

For examples of such, one might note, :"Whether he knows it or not, what Sanderson actually values is the world view and not the science, since science has no inherent value."

Those who caught the ride on the clue bus note that nothing has "inherent value." Value is always assigned.

Those who "understand" that Hollywood is reality also understand statements like, "Salvation is a 144 zillion dollar value, but it's yours free if you act now. (10% of lifetime earnings for shipping and handling will be billed later.) Operators are standing by, confess now."

:"There are still civilizations of millions of people who have existed for thousands of years and they’re still busy worshiping the Sun, thinking that thunder is the anger of a god or gods, and they dance to get it to rain. " Other than the literally fabulous lack of documentation for that claim, the objective observer will note that it does in fact rain, so something is working. he will also note that Job's lesson in Theology was "get over it, you'll get hit by the lightning whenever it pleases Theos"--which is substantively the same as being "scienceless".

:"if his world view of Chaos and Old Night had had its way, science would have never existed. Without Christian theology in which it grew, there’s a fairly good chance he’d view of nature as the ancients did." and yet oddly enough Heraclitus, who has a really good excuse for not accepting Jesus, was accurate enough about the necessity of a scientific world view that the Holy Ghost Chose to quote him in john 1:2...

to do the associative pairing correctly (Newton on logic is recommended to budding exegesists) :"economic strength is dependent upon personal responsibility and trust of one’s neighbor. "--the perfectly true statement understood by the average water buffalo--is associated with "Christian theology"-- a pairing the average water buffalo knows to be false.

मार्क द्रिस्सिल्ल एंड फेअर ऑफ़ डेथ

Three Theists were due to be executed one day -- a Jew, a Samaratin and a Mark Driscoll fan.

The Jew was the first to be brought in front of the firing squad. Just when they were about to fire, he shouted, "Whirlwind" The guards all turned around, and he escaped by jumping over the wall.

Next in line was the Samaritan, now confident that he too will be able to escape. So, just when they were about to fire, he shouted, "Flood!" The guards turned around and he too managed to escape.

Now it was the turn of the Mark Driscoll fan, wondering what Bible image he could scream about(now that whirlwind and flood had been used). Finally, just when the guards were about to shoot, he shouted, "Fire!"

ब्रोठेर पट एंड टेलर..नोट जैक

there cannot be a war over religion.
on the other hand, it's easy to have wars over $$$ and claim that such satanic materialism is the Lord's Will..Whichever Lord that might be.
an example that has come to mind is "brother pat"..he of the theory that Jesus' return is linked to geosynchronous satellite technology making world wide tv possible.
I like the idea, since it makes arthur c clarke the Holy Ghost.
on the other hand:
try this one:
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS329&=&q=pat+robertson+liberia&aq=0sx&oq=%22pat+roberson%22+%22lib&aqi=g-sx1
or to narrow it down a little:
http://blog.blogpulse.com/archives/000336.html
http://www.skeptictank.org/robem2.htm
and getting a little closet to taylor..not zack, that kentucky boy who made good by slaughtering non-protestants, (unlike george yell, the arkansas boy with the same resume, but fewer connections to the eastern bankers).. either way...jackson lite: all the miltant genocide with 1/2 the political theory...
http://www.msmagazine.com/sept03/sizemore.asp

and aiming towards the dialog that causes this post:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taylor_%28Liberia%29#Taylor_and_Pat_Robertson

so,, a guy who was like, eating his enemies during the inaugural ball.. and i mean like ....bbq... no metaphor....

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1910365,00.html

is a good enuff Christin for brother pat....since it is , evidently, from diamonds and gold that blessings flow, praise them all creatures here below...
hmmmmm... seems like the book of Daniel suggests that is >>>not<<< the Plan...
mene, mene, tekel upharsin.... which evidently translates into virginian as "go on, take the money and run."
ever need a working metre stik for the Divine's patience?? now u got one.

रीडिंग वावेस इन्तो थे सुन्सेट ऑफ़ ओब्स्कुरिटी

somebody trying to place the ghost of newton into the throne rooms of the towers built by those who stood on hs shoulders
by refuting the absolute relativity of observation, the inability to claim to perceive an unmoved mover, for the exaltation of their own foundations, rather than in submission to the Effulgence....
annnnyway.. for anybody tempted by the apple of a newtonian Creation, the following may be useful:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpSqrb3VK3c&feature=related

and if u wanted a verrry weird take
that pythagoras et al were hunting on "see thru a glass [mirror] darkly.....
or the >physical< proof that the "materialist" argument for intentionality relies on the non-material, or a way of thinking about the reality that Holy Ghost is observable in action, invisible in appearance,

watch, from the same movie...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyTxCsIXE4&feature=related


something that was once a useful tool for me in dealing with 11-14 yoas when it wasn't like 5 minutes ago...
does mario think he is rescuing the princess?
if you can imagine that--can u ask in what realms of glory wthe soul is actually participating..and all our "intelligence"..yadayayda is more
than an illusion as energy reacts with a medium.

others might note that this elegant demo demos that "materialists" are reaching for the same androsterone induced posture that those who ar afraid of being flaccid reach for. but that would be like flogging a dead whore...er...horse... er...horse's rump...
errr... hmmm what the bleep do we know other than beg for the mercy of standing n the Presnce of the Divine...a mercy granted before our birth...

बेरेंस्तैन बार्स एंड नैंसी पारसी

Nancy Pearcey says that the Berenstain Bears are part of a "naturalism" tat makes Theism impossible. maybe she and mark driscoll can donate dna and clone torqumada.

गोद इस मिचेल जैक्सन???

http://GodisMichaelJackson.net
would make excellent sense to guys like that's his name..the one afraid of being flaccid.

8aw76ymbdx

सो एंड गोद

so while dealing with th idea that people's words are as reliably unreliable as ever, an that texas wants to award a master's degree in the science of conning people into thinking that Adam rode His dinosaur to school...i find
http://www.godismichaeljackson.net/

इन्देपेंदेंट इन्वेस्टीगेशन ऑफ़ truth

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बेबी पोस अस मन्हूद

so, after an amusing visit to those who think that mark driscoll the guy who put together storis of bashing the morals of his parishioners and calling it death by love, and seeing their "manhood" examples, i am left with about the same opinion i had before the visit.
people who think their penises matter are very afraid of losing them.
anybody ever have the experience of watching little boys playing at being men, and when somebody tells them to back it up...they fold??
:"Quit misrepresenting us."
uhuh... so some fans of mark driscoll evidently think the Holy Ghost has empowered them to decide who is or is not a heretic. let's see, who else seems to think they have such power? nicea? the pope? so, mentioning to people that when they are calling other people herretics or non-heretics they are making such a pretense?
probably not. this is the kind of behaviour that boys who have been told to act like men and go beat up somebody, or go push around some woman generally call manly and righteous, until somebody asks them to back it up....then they go silent, muttering about whatever..usually, "ah, u don't get it.." or some other random variant of the theme that little boys playing king of the hill are the meaning of life.
a while back there were a bunch of such in jerusalem.
Jesus took a whip to them.
may driscoll get the Jesus he asks for.